I don’t know who came up with the idea to mash Makima, Zelda, and Tsunade into the same world, but whoever it was probably spilled beer on their keyboard halfway through writing the script - and that’s what makes *D20 Magic Dice* feel alive. It’s messy, horny, strangely sentimental at times, like watching late-night anime reruns after a breakup. You’re talking to this dice thing (yeah, an actual dice), and before you even realize it, it’s making your thoughts real. Not just the good ones. I rolled a 3 once and ended up in some half-lit tavern where Widowmaker was arm wrestling Rumi for no reason while Zelda flirted with the bartender. I think I lost track of the main plot two minutes in, but it didn’t matter. The game doesn’t care either, it just keeps throwing beautiful chaos in your lap, all soft skin and heavy breathing mixed with dumb jokes about mana points.

What I liked most is how it doesn’t pretend to be clever. The dialogue’s sometimes broken, and the pacing jumps like old VHS tape - one second you’re teasing Ada Wong, next second Tsunade’s lecturing you about responsibility while sitting on your lap. There’s some strange comfort in that inconsistency. I did wish there were more sound options though; moans hit too loud compared to everything else, made me lower volume quick before neighbors got curious. And yet, when Makima whispers in that weirdly calm tone, you kinda forgive every bug. Maybe nostalgia blinds me - I grew up on janky flash hentai crossovers, and this feels like one resurrected from 2009. The dice mechanic almost feels secondary to the conversations, which twist between sincere and absurd so fast it makes you laugh mid-erection.

Sometimes I forget which universe I’m even in - Naruto? Overwatch? Who cares. The worlds blur, the clothes vanish, and someone says something about destiny while you’re trying not to roll another damn six. Three words? Chaotic, filthy, affectionate. Dare to play it alone, or invite company?

First thing that hit me about Life in Windvale was how it feels like some horny slice-of-life doujin someone stretched into a sim, then fed the whole thing into an AI blender. You start as this farmer guy in a quiet village, married to a tomboy wife who looks like she could carry sacks of grain and still bounce her tits out of her top when she bends over. She’s got that mix of cute and rough, tanlines peeking out when she gets naked in the barn, a bit of muscle, big ass, big chest, but still acts shy when you pull her panties aside. The game pushes the idea that you two actually like each other, which makes it extra hot when you start “spicing things up” and suddenly she’s getting eyed by every dude in town and half the women too. It’s netorase focused, so your guy is in on it, but it still pokes that jealous itch sometimes, like when you watch her laugh a little too hard at the neighbor’s jokes and you know where this is going.

The sex scenes jump pretty quick from teasing to full-on stuff, which I kinda enjoy. You’re messing around in the fields, you choose the “risky” option, and boom, next thing you’re watching your wife kneel between a pair of dark-skinned bulls, her lips shiny with spit while she strokes one cock and deepthroats the other, eyes rolled up in a soft ahegao. Animation is simple but it does the job: tits bounce, hips move, cum splashes on tanlined skin. The voyeurism angle is constant. Sometimes you just stand in a doorway or behind some hay, watching her ride a guy raw, hearing her moan your name while he grabs her tits from behind. Sometimes it flips and you’re the one getting a surprise blowjob from a thick milf in town while your wife secretly watches and gets turned on instead of sulky. There’s this one event where you think it will be a cute threesome with a shy girl from the village, and then suddenly it turns into a full gangbang in a storage barn, your wife sitting on a crate, legs spread, getting her pussy stuffed one after another while you’re busy with the other girl’s mouth and hands. Vaginal, creampies, titfucks with cum dripping down soft curves, handjobs under table during a “nice dinner”, even that kind of teasing where she pretends nothing is happening but you see her panties already wet and pulled aside. It’s messy in a fun way.

It’s not a game you play for perfect polish. The AI CG has that recognizable weirdness sometimes, like a finger looking off or a nipple a bit too stiff, but honestly, in this type of game it just feels like an oddly hot fever dream. Dialog is simple and a bit broken here and there, but as non-native myself, I kinda vibe with it. The harem stuff sneaks up on you too, because while the focus is netorase, you slowly collect options: stacked town milf with huge tits who loves to wrap them around your cock and stroke until you explode on her face, darker-skinned girl with heavy tanlines who begs for “just one more” creampie, a bratty younger woman who acts tough until she’s pinned to a wall and gets her first rough oral session, legs shaking. Swinging shows up when you let another couple into your little world, watching your wife ride someone else while you’re buried between another woman’s cheeks, hands full of big ass, trying not to cum too early. It’s dirty, a bit chaotic, feels like a pile of horny fantasies taped together, but in that good “fanservice cosplay afterparty” way. Not everything connects, some scenes feel rushed, some choices don’t matter much, but when the screen fills with bodies, sweat, moans, and those AI-animated thrusts, it scratches that low-effort, high-smut itch that certain people keep coming back to without admitting it in public.

Things feel almost too cozy at the start here. You log into a VRMMO, your girl is there, all cute and overpowered, and the routine is very… domestic. Run some quests, flirt in chat, meet her after “logging out” for a date in a very normal school life. It’s this weird overlap of fantasy swords and cafeteria bentos, and it actually sells the idea that this couple is used to shuffling between dungeon grinding and holding hands behind the gym. It’s soft, kind of cheesy, and then the game quietly leans in and says, “Okay, what if we fucked that up completely.”

The new guy, Inoda, slides into the story like that one Discord stranger who seems harmless because his mic is too quiet. His whole thing is this stealth skill in the VR game that makes his character weak as hell in combat but basically invisible. In a normal RPG you’d just complain in a forum that the devs ruined the class, but here it turns into a voyeur tool. At first it’s funny: you’re teaching him how to not die in turn based fights, he trips over simple stuff, you clear monsters while he hides, and your girlfriend is trying to be patient. The combat is simple, kind of grindy, and sometimes the camera lingers more on bouncing tits and wet lips than on HP bars, which is honestly the point. She leans forward to explain something, her big chest fills half the frame, his eyes slide down, and the game doesn’t pretend it’s innocent. In town, there’s one sequence where she bends over to pick up loot and her skirt rides up, and you catch Inoda just standing there, watching like he found premium content. He says “sorry” way too slow.

What I like, and also hate, is how the NTR tension doesn’t flip all at once. It’s not just “surprise, she’s fucked in a corner.” Instead it builds in stupid little moments. A hand on her shoulder that lingers too long in the classroom, him “accidentally” sitting next to her on the train instead of you, her laughing at some lame joke while your POV is just a bit off to the side. The voyeur thing grows more obvious in the VR parts too: stealth active, he hangs back watching you and her fight, her heavy breathing, the bounce under her armor, the way she sucks on a potion bottle like it’s a cock, and your brain starts going, wait, is he even playing the same game or just jerking to our party dynamics. There is this scene in the dorm hallway where he “helps” her carry stuff and his hand brushes her ass. It’s short, animated, and he pretends it’s nothing, but the camera really wants you to see the way his fingers press in, like testing the curve of her milf-tier body even though she’s technically still a student. It’s horny and kind of gross in that way NTR fans eat up.

Sex scenes hit a bunch of angles: slow teasing while you watch, sneaky groping in a school stairwell, her pressed against a wall with her underwear pushed aside, and, later, things get nastier. There’s oral where she’s on her knees, her lips stretched around a dick that clearly isn’t yours, drool dripping down her chin while the stealth effect is still active and you’re somewhere else in the same digital world, clueless. There’s the classic VR bed scene where he’s fucking her from behind, tits slapping against the sheets, his hands on her waist, and she keeps trying not to moan his name too loud. Creampies are heavy here: white cum spilling out slowly, panties dragged up over a dripping pussy before she goes to “see you” in the real school. It’s peak cheating vibe. Some shots focus on her big ass, jiggle from different angles, light catching the sweat on her skin. One scene has her giving a handjob under a table, his expression barely moving while teachers talk in front, like this fucked-up exhibition game where you almost want someone to notice. The game even throws in a weird Asuna-style NPC in the VR MMO that’s clearly meant to look like a certain SAO heroine, and she gets dragged into the mix as a side distraction, like the devs said “we know what you’re here for” and then got horny and forgot subtlety. Honestly I wish the male protagonist had more agency in the late parts, instead of just existing to suffer and watch, but this won’t change, it’s built on that specific humiliation. I still keep thinking about that one moment where you walk into a classroom, see your girlfriend smiling at her phone, and the screen very briefly flashes a chat window you’re not in. Tiny thing. It bothered me way more than the loud moaning did.

Evil mage steals a rival’s body, grabs his fancy tower and all the arcane toys inside, then immediately gets cockblocked by three clueless apprentices banging on the front gate. That’s basically the setup, but the game leans hard into the fun side of being the bastard in charge. You’re not some shy virgin hero; you’re a smug asshole already sitting on the throne, trying to corrupt three walking disasters in robes and cleavage. One’s a big titty muscle girl who looks like she could bench the castle walls and your face at the same time, one’s a blonde with that “I read one spellbook and now I think I know everything” energy, and one’s a quieter brunette who you just know is hiding some kinky brainrot under that polite smile. All three of them worship the guy whose body you stole, so the whole thing is you pretending to be him while slowly twisting their faith, their morals, and yeah, their legs.

The writing doesn’t waste time on “oh no, is this wrong?” stuff. It dives straight into teasing, power games, and that nice slow burn where you keep pushing boundaries until suddenly you’re using magic to pin a knight girl against a stone wall and she’s moaning your stolen name like a prayer. One scene had me laughing because you’re in this grand hall, supposed to act like the wise archmage, and instead you’re trying not to stare at the blonde’s tits bouncing while she lectures you about “responsible magic usage”. Bro, she’s scolding the evil mage with a stolen body and doesn’t notice a thing. Peak comedy. Then five clicks later she’s kneeling between your legs, talking about “serving the realm” with a straight face while your cock is basically her new holy relic. That shift is where the game shines: choices look simple on screen, but suddenly they branch into “soft corruption” or straight “shut up and obey, whore” territory, depending how much of a bastard you feel like being that click.

What I liked most is how it keeps the domination fantasy playful instead of just screaming edge all the time. You can be cruel, yeah, but the humor keeps peeking through, like the demon girl who pops in acting like tech support from hell, giving you tips on how to break minds and backs in the same evening. There’s even a scene with an armored knight chick, all righteous and shiny, getting used as a toy in the tower dungeon, the kind of “I’ll never yield” speech while she’s literally riding you raw. Interracial stuff pops up without making a big fuss about it; it’s just part of the world, like “oh yeah, here’s a demon with purple skin and hips wide enough to block a doorway, obviously she wants to help you corrupt the apprentices”. Not everything is perfect; sometimes a line lands a bit cringe, like something you’d see in a horny Reddit thread, and a few transitions feel like the writer clicked “fast forward to sex” in their own brain. But then you get a moment where the muscle girl casually lifts you a little while kissing you against those old castle stones, and your evil mage is thrown off his own dominance for a second, and it feels weirdly hot and funny at once. You go from serious fantasy castle vibes to “haha, ripped spell mommy” in one scene. It’s messy, horny, sometimes clumsy, but that’s exactly why it works here.

Luna’s first scene in the new city pretty much tells you what kind of game this is. She walks into a “normal” school, tries to act like a regular horny 18-year-old, and five minutes later she’s sizing up the bulge on the class rep while her stepmom is texting about some political rally where futa rights and anal porn get mentioned in the same breath. The story is horny, but it keeps pretending it’s about ideology and social conflict, which is honestly kind of funny. You’re not creating a character here, you’re stuck in Luna’s head, and she’s this mix of bratty, curious, a bit clueless, and way too easily turned on. She’ll say she’s not into girls, then gets pushed against a bathroom stall door by a tall futa with a thick cock and suddenly she’s moaning with that over-the-top ahegao face while getting her ass fingered. The game leans hard into that: big tits pressed against a locker, hands roaming everywhere, and Luna thinking about “justice” while her mouth is full of cock. There’s a weird charm in how dead serious the politics sound for about two lines, then someone gets groped behind the podium.

The way the futa stuff is handled is pretty direct. Cocks are big, like “that would actually hurt” big, and the game doesn’t pretend to be realistic. Anal is not some rare extra, it’s basically a second protagonist. There’s this classroom scene where Luna gets dragged into a “political debate club” that is just an excuse for a group sex event. You’ve got a milf teacher with massive boobs using her hands on one girl, a futa prefect getting a blowjob while talking about party lines, and Luna ending up bent over a table, getting her ass slowly opened up while two girls comment on how “tolerant” the school is. It’s ridiculous, but in a fun way. The lesbian moments are actually pretty sweet sometimes, like Luna sharing a shy handjob under a blanket with another nervous student, then later that same girl shows up in a masked orgy scene and suddenly she’s the one riding a trans futa with a heavy cock and smacking Luna’s big ass like she owns it. I liked that the game lets Luna make some choices, but it never pretends she can avoid the mess she walked into. She will suck, she will get her ass trained, she will end up in group scenes with too many hands and not enough space. At one point I had the game open on one monitor, Telegram on the other, and I actually forgot a poll choice because I was too busy watching Luna drool all over a blowjob scene that escalated into full-on group anal. The political storm in the background just keeps building, but half the time you’ll forget the speech, because someone is getting their boobs played with behind the curtain.

You wander into this little bar scene, kind of basic at first glance, and there she is at the counter: this cute girl who looks familiar in a way that itches at the back of your brain. Not some overdesigned hentai goddess, more like that one girl you always notice in the same Discord server, then suddenly realize you’ve seen her avatar everywhere. She’s clearly bothered by something, kind of lost in her own head, and the whole game basically pushes you into that “ok, I’m gonna talk to her or I’ll regret it forever” moment. From there it turns into this weirdly comfy mix of small talk, teasing, and slowly turning everything way hornier than it has any right to be. At the start her body looks pretty normal, on the busty side but nothing insane, and you’re just chatting, picking options, trying not to sound like a total creep. Then week by week, your little bar hangouts shift from “hey, how was your day” to “wait, were her tits that big last time?” and your brain is trying to focus on her problems, but your eyes are just screaming. Her chest swells, her ass fills out, clothes start losing their battle. The game kind of leans into that “oh god, it’s still growing” energy, and if you are into that, yeah, it absolutely scratches it.

There is this nice bullshit-free quality to it. No 40 systems stacked on top of each other like a gacha hell; you just go on weekly meets, watch her body change, nudge her personality, flirt harder, hit those horny choices and slowly push things from shy bar conversations to straight-up filthy stuff. One minute you are comforting her about how weird her body feels, next minute you’re watching her squeeze her own tits that clearly do not fit in that top anymore, and the writing does not shy away from the messy parts. There is cum, there is rougher stuff once you get her there, and when you finally push it to sex, it is not some gentle lovey dovey thing, it’s very “I’ve been staring at these massive boobs and ass for weeks and now I’m just going to fuck you like I mean it.” When the release hits, the game actually lets it feel heavy and sticky, like you painted her with it, instead of just one lame little line of text. But yeah, it is short. Like, almost annoyingly short right now. You get into the groove, her curves finally go from “big” to “cartoonishly huge” and then scene, credits, thanks for playing. Some choices feel like they will matter a lot more than they actually do, and you can kind of tell this is early build stuff. I kept waiting for her wardrobe to react more to the body changes too, not just “slightly tighter version of same outfit”, but the game never fully goes wild with that yet and it lowkey bugs me more than it should. Still, for something this new and unpolished, the pacing of the growth is weirdly addictive, like checking the same subreddit every day just to see if someone posted new expansion art. It’s raunchy, it’s clumsy, it knows exactly what fetish it wants to feed, and it doesn’t pretend to be anything deeper. You meet a troubled girl at a bar, watch her tits and ass blow up over time, talk her through it, then absolutely ruin her with sex. Honestly, that’s the whole charm.

Game hits you with that cheap jump scare first, like some old YouTube screamer, then suddenly you are just in this tiny bedroom with a catgirl kneeling on your mattress, tail flicking, hoodie half open, like she respawned out of your search history. She talks way too casual for something that was licking your cheek a second ago, and her robot buddy on the desk keeps beeping horny little comments, like ChatGPT but if it was allowed to be a total perv. The vibe is weirdly cozy and fucked up at the same time: lights low, messy floor, VR headset tossed in the corner, browser on incognito, and this girl with ears and a collar explaining that you “kinda accidentally” asked for her during a lucid dream. Then your tanned childhood friend just barges in, sweaty from practice, sports bra under that loose shirt, thighs looking like she can snap your neck, and the game instantly goes from awkward hentai scenario to full “oh no I have to actually choose between them” chaos. Except it does not let you stay pure for long, because the sandbox part kicks in fast.

What sold me is how the lewd stuff slowly crawls from goofy to really filthy. At first it is innocent groping “for data”, the robot telling her to test your stamina, her sitting on your lap casually while pretending it is a “science experiment”, your dark skinned wrestler buddy teasing you by pinning your arms and grinding down “like training mount control”. Ten minutes later you are in this bizarre three way exhibition setup where the robot projects your porn search stats on the wall while catgirl milks you with her tits, long slow titfuck while she purrs and leaks a bit of milk herself if you pushed her down the lactation path earlier. Yes, they actually track that with little stat sliders tucked in your phone menu, same place you manage pregnancy risks and suppression pills, which is so on the nose it becomes funny. You start checking fertility charts with the same seriousness I normally keep for Google Analytics, except here the KPIs are “days until catgirl goes into heat” and “chance that the wrestler gets creampied after shower scene”.

Game keeps mixing cute and messed up like that. One route I picked had the tan friend challenge you to a “submission match” on the living room floor, loser has to obey for the night. I tried to play fair, ended up with my face in her armpit and my hands tied behind my back with a belt. She rode my mouth first out of pure spite, grinding till she actually squirted all over my chin, laughing when the robot measured the splash distance. That same run, later, she made you fuck her from behind in the hallway with the door half open, neighbors’ footsteps outside, her moaning way too loud on purpose so you feel that humiliation creep in while still pumping her full and watching her stomach twitch when she feels the cum spill deep. The catgirl route goes more horror and sci fi if you lean into the superpower stuff: she glitches the lights, pulls some psychic domination, freezes your body mid stroke so she can sit on your cock and edge you, denying the orgasm until you are shaking, then forces a raw creampie where her eyes roll back ahegao style and her belly gives this tiny bump animation after. At one point she makes a clone of herself out of this slimy monster girl goo, and suddenly it becomes a group sex scene with two catgirls giggling while they share your dick between mouth and ass, keeping you right at the limit, the robot counting “denied orgasms: 7” in the corner like some cursed Excel sheet. I kinda hate how the UI sometimes bugs and the text boxes overlap in the most intense moments, but when you are watching an elf cosplay scene where your tanned fighter wears fake ears and gets throat fucked on the couch while the real catgirl records from the wardrobe crack, you just let it slide. Vaginal, anal, oral, handjobs under the table while you pretend to play a horror game, lesbian domination where the wrestler slaps the catgirl’s ass till it goes red and makes her lick your shaft before she sits down on it herself, even a messed up virgin blood fetish joke when you finally break that hymen flag on one route. It is all there, messy, horny, way too raw, like someone dumped their whole tag history into one save file and forgot to clean the edges.

Lily’s manor feels like someone took a fantasy hentai doujin, shook it too hard, and then let everything spill out all over an RPG map. You’re not some shy self-insert loser here, you’re a futa mistress walking around with way too much power, way too much dick, and a house full of maids who basically signed away their dignity the moment they put on the uniform. It actually keeps that “Futanari-sama and her maids” vibe pretty close, just less polished, like the panels got stretched into scenes and nobody bothered to iron the weird bits. One second you’re in a cozy maid hallway chatting about tea, next second you’ve got one of them on her knees, drooling on your shaft, trying not to choke while her eyes roll up. The game doesn’t build up slowly, it just pokes you like “hey, want to titfuck the busty head maid or go bully the shy virgin one first?” and if you’re like me, you just click both and see what breaks.

The manor management side is kind of funny because it pretends to be serious. You’re assigning maids to jobs, tweaking schedules, managing “corruption” like it’s some office KPI, but the real goal is just turning your whole staff into a horny, broken harem. You send one maid to “pray” in the chapel, and three scenes later she’s getting railed in front of a holy statue, creampie dripping out while she moans about religion and sin. There’s this nice stupid contrast: official-looking menus, and then you press confirm and boom, lesbian scene on the sofa, maid riding another maid’s face while you stand there stroking yourself and deciding who you’re going to fuck after. And mixed in that, out of nowhere, you get those darker corruption bits: non-consensual stuff, harassment that doesn’t pretend to be “mild,” maids pinned against walls, forced oral, internal shots of cum flooding them while they’re crying and clinging to you. It follows the source pretty well on that “worship the mistress whether you like it or not” tone, though some scenes feel rushed, like the build-up pages are missing and you jump straight to the money shot.

Then there’s the dungeon stuff, which feels like the author remembered halfway “oh right, this is an RPG.” Turn based fights, monster girls, weird transformations when you push certain routes too far. You’re smacking slime girls around, then suddenly they’re riding you instead, bouncing those big tits in a looping animation while your HP bar is screaming and you’re just like yeah, this is fine. Sometimes the game throws in a trap or futa enemy and it goes full group mess: everyone jerking each other off, milfs in the party getting sandwiched, you blasting a load inside someone, getting a creamy internal view, and then casually looting a sex toy from the chest after. The corruption carries into combat too, so characters you kept “pure” can end up totally ruined, and you actually feel it when the virgin maid who used to blush just from handholding is suddenly begging for anal or grabbing a monster girl’s horns to force her deeper during oral. The pacing is kind of all over the place, a bit like reading the manga in random order, but that messy energy actually suits it. Some scenes try to be funny and land, like a maid trying to “professionally” report daily tasks while you’re fucking her from behind, her glasses fogging up. Other times the humor falls flat and you’re just clicking through dialogue to get back to the next creampie or harem scene. Still, that constant swing between silly, cute, cruel, and outright filthy is weirdly addictive. It feels less like a polished VN and more like the horny draft version that accidentally got released, which, for this kind of fantasy, kinda works better anyway.

Guy wakes up, goes to school, talks to people, checks his phone, jerks off, somehow still ends up in the middle of some freaky supernatural drama. That’s more or less the vibe here. It pretends to be “ordinary life” at first, with you walking around campus, clicking on girls, trying to be smooth in a very not smooth way. You’ve got the usual routine stuff like chatting, trying not to be broke, watching your stats creep up little by little. Then the game starts throwing weird shit at you. People looking at you like they know something you don’t, random events that feel off, like the world is slightly tilted. And between all that, yeah, a lot of boobs and asses in your face.

The fun part for me was how it jumps between horny comedy and this kind of awkward paranormal mystery without warning. One minute a teacher with a ridiculous big ass is bending over the desk, asking you to “stay after class” while you’re trying not to stare at her tits bouncing when she moves. Next minute there is this serious dialogue about your “gift” and power and you’re like, ok but can we go back to that handjob scene in the locker room, I was busy. Some girls are openly teasing you, especially this one who loves humiliating you in a playful way, sitting you down and using your lap like her personal armrest while whispering into your ear how pathetic you look hard in public. Proper female dom vibe, but not hardcore torture, more like she enjoys holding the leash and watching you squirm. Then somewhere else you flip the script and push a shy girl against a wall outside the classroom, she’s blushing like crazy, trying to cover her huge tits while at the same time letting you slide a hand under her shirt. The game lets you swing between being controlled and being in control, sometimes in the same scene, which is kinda messy but also feels like an actual horny teenager brain: no consistency at all.

Sex stuff is mostly wrapped in this dating sim structure where you’re slowly building relationships, picking dialogue that doesn’t always make sense, and hoping you clicked the right option before the blowjob scene triggers. There’s an early moment where you’re stuck on a bench with this loud, funny girl who keeps joking about flashing the entire courtyard. She actually pulls up her skirt just enough to show you she’s not wearing panties, then just sits there like it’s nothing, letting random NPCs pass by while you’re hard as a rock and praying nobody notices the tent. It’s exhibitionist but also stupidly lighthearted, like she treats your cock as a reaction test. Later she casually drags you behind a building and drops to her knees like she’s tying her shoes, then you feel her mouth and the camera angles start moving in that slightly janky way that reminds you this is all built in 3D custom girl stuff. The animation is not Hollywood quality or whatever, sometimes the lips don’t line up perfect, but I don’t know, there’s something charming about it. It feels like watching a dirty fan video instead of a polished studio project, and for this kind of game that kinda fits. I still hate the tiny thing where the text box keeps covering the best part of the scene if you forget to hide it, and it annoys me every time and I keep forgetting to change it in the options, and now I’m annoyed again just thinking about it. Anyway, you wander the school, click things, get teased, sometimes humiliate or get humiliated, blowjob here, handjob there, occasional romantic moment that almost feels sweet until someone cracks a joke about your stamina. And in the background this whole “you’re special, people want to use your power” story goes on, which I honestly kept half ignoring whenever a girl with big tits walked on screen. But then again, that’s kind of realistic too.